And therefore I shall select some of you – reply to Mahatma das
BY: MAHESH RAJA

26. February 2017 by Prabhupada News — And therefore I shall select
some of you – reply to Mahatma das

This is a reply to Mahatma Prabhus input on pointing to āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128) verse:

“And Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). One who can understand the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he can become guru. Or one who understands his guru’s order, the same paramparā, he can become guru. And therefore I shall select some of you.“ (hums)

Mahesh Raja: Ok lets study from above comment. Srila Prabhupada “And therefore I shall select some of you. (hums)

Srila Prabhupada: “Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up,
I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.” (MAY 28th 1977 Room Conversation)

So what EXACTLY did Srila Prabhupada SELECT? Did he SELECT Diksa gurus OR did he SELECT Ritviks? Srila Prabhupada SELECTED Ritviks. ONLY RITVIKS WERE SELECTED -- FACT!!! Ritviks are ALSO considered as SIKSA (INSTRUCTOR) GURUS. BUT the specific condition of these SIKSA gurus was the disciples were Srila Prabhupada’s NOT theirs as per July 9th 1977 Order. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). One who can understand the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he can become guru. INSTRUCTOR( SIKSA) guru is ALSO is what Srila Prabhupada WANTED… “and you should be the INSTRUCTOR guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing”.

75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should ALL be the INSTRUCTOR gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the INSTRUCTOR guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.

The yare dekha quote:
CC Madhya 7.128 T The Lord’ s Tour of South India

yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa

SYNONYMS
yāre—whomever; dekha—you meet; tāre—him; kaha—tell; kṛṣṇa-upadeśa—the instruction of the Bhagavad-gītā as it is spoken by the Lord or of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which advises one to worship Śrī Kṛṣṇa; āmāraājñāya—under My order; guruhañā—becoming a spiritual master; tāra‘-deliver; eideśa—this country.

TRANSLATION
“Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.”

PURPORT
This is the sublime mission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Many people come and inquire whether they have to give up family life to join the Society, but that is not our mission. One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the mahā-mantra: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. If one is a little literate and can read the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that is so much the better. These works are now available in an English translation and are done very authoritatively to appeal to all classes of men. Instead of living engrossed in material activities, people throughout the world should take advantage of this movement and chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra at home with their families. One should also refrain from sinful activities-illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Out of these four items, illicit sex is very sinful. Every person must get married. Every woman especially must get married. If the women outnumber the men, some men can accept more than one wife. In that way there will be no prostitution in society. If men can marry more than one wife, illicit sex life will be stopped. One can also produce many nice preparations to offer Kṛṣṇa-grain, fruit, flowers and milk. Why should one indulge in unnecessary meat-eating and maintain horrible slaughterhouses? What is the use of smoking and drinking tea and coffee? People are already intoxicated by material enjoyment, and if they indulge in further intoxication, what chance is there for self-realization? Similarly, one should not partake in gambling and unnecessarily agitate the mind. The real purpose of human life is to attain the spiritual platform and return to Godhead. That is the summum bonum of spiritual realization. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu in His advice to the brāhmaṇa Kūrma. THAT IS, ONE SHOULD STAY AT HOME, CHANT THE HARE KṚṢṆA MANTRA AND PREACH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF KṚṢṆA AS THEY ARE GIVEN IN THE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ AND ŚRĪMAD-BHĀGAVATAM.

Note: as a follow-up of the above: One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES

Madhya 7.130 T The Lord’ s Tour of South India

ei mata yāṅra ghare kare prabhu bhikṣā
sei aiche kahe, tāṅre karāya ei śikṣā

SYNONYMS
eimata—in this way; yāṅra—of whom; ghare—at the home; kare—does; prabhu—Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; bhikṣā—accepting prasāda; sei—that man; aiche—similarly; kahe—says; tāṅre—unto him; karāya—does; ei—this; śikṣā—enlightenment.

TRANSLATION
At whosoever’s house Śrī Caitanya accepted His alms by taking prasāda, He would convert the dwellers to His saṅkīrtana movement and advise them just as He advised the brāhmaṇa named Kūrma.

PURPORT
The cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.

Note: Yare dekhe quote did not make Sarasvati small child of Symasundara a Diksa guru – so HOW can they say this quote is Diksa guru Order?

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So these books, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, are there, and many other books, Puranas and others… They are simply describing the activities of Krsna so that you can understand Krsna. That… There is a verse in Caitanya-caritamrta: anadi bahirmukha jiva nahi jnana, krsna… Means “From, since a very, very long time, he has forgotten Krsna.” Just like anyone you can ask, in this country even, and what to speak of others, that “Do you know Krsna?” So you’ll find so many, I mean to say, major portion, people, will say, “No, we do not know what is Krsna.” JUST LIKE OUR SYAMASUNDARA’S DAUGHTER, SARASVATI. SHE PREACHES, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS KRSNA?” EVEN ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE (SHE) IS CHILD: “NO, NO. I DO NOT KNOW.” “OH, SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD,” SHE WILL SAY. She is so intelligent. She will say. So similarly, we can do. We can do Krsna’s service like this. EVEN A CHILD CAN DO. YOU GO. AS CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU SAYS, YARE DEKHA TARE KAHA KRSNA-UPADESA. THAT BECOMES… YOU BECOMES SPIRITUAL MASTER. If you take this vow, that “I’ll preach only Krsna,” then you are spiritual master. You become spiritual…

yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa

Just like that child, Sarasvati’s, preaching, “Do you know Krsna?” He says, “No.” “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Simply say like that, “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” and “Chant His holy name, Hare Krsna.” If you do this, then you are preacher; you are spiritual master. It is so nice. You don’t require to become very… Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa. He does not say that you become a learned Vedic scholar. That is the goal of Vedic scholarship. If you simply know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then your Vedic study finished. You are M.A., doctor of Krsna philosophy, simply if you know this. You may not know in details, but if you simply believe, firmly convinced, that “Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is my master. He is my savior,” in this way, if you accept, then you become perfect, and you become liberated.

a) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per Yare dekhe quote as some MISLEADERS claim then: WHY did Srila Prabhupada say I shall SAY in 1977 I SHALL SAY? This means it was NOT an open order.

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Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

b) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per yare dekhe quote:
Why did Srila Prabhupada say WHEN my guru maharaja ORDERED me in a lecture Nairobi Conversation:

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Bramananda: He’s asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupāda: When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This is the guru–paramparā.
Indian: Did it…
Prabhupāda: Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he’s ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.

IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?

Srila Prabhupada: “WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)

Srila Prabhupada: “Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)

Srila Prabhupada: “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)

Srila Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru. (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada: “I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.”

WHERE IS THIS ORDER (AUTHORIZATION)? Show us in writing from Srila Prabhupada NAMING the individuals as ACARYA. Exactly WHERE does Srila Prabhupada NAME the ACARYAS in writing?

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada: OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU for as long as his books are on this planet!

Below you will find some more links for reference:

The topic is covered here in detail:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40622#more-40622

Note: ALSO Diksa guru is NOT cheap:
Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094

Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422

The Ritvik — A Bona Fide System
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46518

Srila Prabhupada THE ONLY CURRENT ETERNAL DIKSA GURU for ISKCON
for AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS – NO COMPROMISE!
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44113

HARE KṚṢṆA HARE KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA HARE HARE
HARE RĀMA HARE RĀMA RĀMA RĀMA HARE HARE

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