Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
BY: MAHESH RAJA
10. March 2015 by Prabhupada News — Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
Note: MANIPULATIVE SLAVERY MAKING MONEY SCREWING Anti Ritviks make a cunning propaganda that they are Diksa Guru. Our point is WHERE is THAT ORDER from Srila Prabhupada that they have been NAMED as Diksa Guru AFTER 1977?
It was SPECIFICALLY IN 1977 Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order”. The word WHEN signifies FUTURE not PRESENT. What we ALL KNOW is that THIS order was NOT given. All Srila Prabhupada said was “WHEN”. This word “WHEN” does NOT translate to that he IS ordering NOW. “WHEN” means FUTURE. So – it NEVER happened.
ALL Srila Prabhupada did INSTEAD was gave them July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order – THAT IS ALL!!!!! Nothing more.
VERY Simple logic: IF there was an ORDER BEFORE 1977 WHAT was Satsvarupa asking Srila Prabhupada for:PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU’RE NO LONGER WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATION WOULD BE CONDUCTED.
770528me.vrn Conversations
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. THEN OUR NEXT QUESTION CONCERNS
INITIATIONS IN THE FUTURE, PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU'RE NO LONGER
WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATION WOULD BE CONDUCTED.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up,
I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.SB 3.15.24 P Description of the Kingdom of God
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE, BUT IN THE HUMAN FORM ONE SHOULD AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE GOAL OF LIFE AND BEGIN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS.
Note: It is NOT possible to go back to Godhead in ONE LIFE this is WHY we chant Janme Janme Prabhu sei — this means Srila Prabhupada is there with us in OTHER LIVES AFTER to finish OUR Jail term in this material world. HOW can one be LIBERATED Maha Bhagavata to deliver OTHERS if he HIMSELF is NOT delivered IN ONE LIFE:
760805BG.PAR Lectures
Devotee: If we don’t finish our Krsna consciousness in this life, how we come in contact with the guru in next life?
Prabhupada: Yes, that arrangement will be done, you go on with your business. We are singing this song daily. Why do you forget? Cakhu-dan dilo jei JANME JANME PRABHU SEI. ONE WHO HAS OPENED THE EYES, HE’LL REMAIN MY MASTER LIFE AFTER LIFE.
740302mw.may Conversations
Bhavananda: spiritual master. Then when he reaches a certain point, he lets go. What is? What becomes of Him? He is also Mayavadi.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is Mayavadi philosophy. (break) philosophy, cakhudana dilo yei janme JANME PRABHU SEI. NAROTTAMA DASA THAKURA SINGS THAT, “ONE WHO HAS OPENED MY EYES, MY SPIRITUAL MASTER, HE’S MY FATHER, LIFE AFTER LIFE.” SO HOW HE CAN, HE CAN SAY, “GO AWAY NOW”? THAT IS MAYAVADA PHILOSOPHY.
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHĀ-BHĀGAVATA-śreṣṭho
brāhmaṇo vai gurur nṛṇām
sarveṣām eva lokānām
asau pūjyo yathā hariḥ
ahā-kula-prasūto ‘pi
sarva-yajñeṣu DĪKṢITAḤ
sahasra-śākhādhyāyī ca
na guruḥ syād avaiṣṇavaḥ
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. …When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
Note: The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
Note: what we KNOW is that they were NOT Maha-Bhagavata but CONDITIONED SOULS that is EVEN ADMITTED by Tamal Krsna so they can NOT give Diksa – FACT! this was in 1977 not before. In ADDITION Srila Prabhupada says, “I SHALL SAY, “NOW YOU BECOME ACARYA. YOU BECOME AUTHORIZED”. What we KNOW for a FACT is Srila Prabhupada DID NOT SAY THAT THEY WERE ACARYA.
INSTEAD he gave the Ritvik Order – BAS! That was ALL. COMMON SENSE: HOW can Srila Prabhupada give them Order to be Diksa guru KNOWING for a FACT that they ARE CONDITIONED SOULS. This is WHY we KNOW that they BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada. There is absolutely NO DOUBT that they BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada:
770422r3.bom Conversations
Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples,
and it's clear fact that WE ARE ALL CONDITIONED SOULS, SO WE CANNOT BE GURU.
Maybe one day it may be possible...
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: ...but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I SHALL SAY, "NOW YOU BECOME ACARYA. YOU BECOME AUTHORIZED." I am waiting for that. You become all acarya.
I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Another spiritual master after you?750522mw.mel
Devotee 7: Prabhupada, when you leave this material world, will there be another spiritual master after you? Another pure soul?
Prabhupada: THEN THAT SPIRITUAL MASTER IS KRSNA HIMSELF. There is no need of education. Everyone is free. Everyone is full knowledge. There is no need of spiritual master.
From the year 1966 to 1977, Srila Prabhupada did NOT give ANY order to anyone SPECIFICALLY, “YOU become guru,” so HOW can you say that they are diksa Guru?
*****IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?******
Prabhupada:”WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.” (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)
“Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact. Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)
Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Facts:
1) the Order was NOT given. This is WHY Srila Prabhupada says WHEN I order:
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Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
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WHEN I order
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2603.htm
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Become Guru by Order, That’s All
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5990.htm
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What We Have Heard from the Spiritual Master, That is Living
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6409.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2265.htm
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2) to be a Mahabhagavata is NOT so cheap.
3) ONLY the PROMINENT Acarya is a ACCEPTED: Srila Prabhupada is PROMINENT ACARYA he IS Diksa Guru.
a) Srila Prabhupada’s books are QUOTED by ALL and WILL be QUOTED by ALL in future — so he is PROMINENT
b) Srila Prabhupada is worshiped as Jagad Guru in ALL his temples and ALL over the world — this will continue — so he is PROMINENT.68-04-12. Letter: Dayananda
Regarding parampara system: THERE IS NOTHING TO WONDER FOR BIG GAPS. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYA, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.” (28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)
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