Unless One is a Resident of Krishna Loka
BY: MAHESH RAJA
Feb 24, UK (SUN) — Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spiritual Master.
In response to Mahavidya Prabhu's recent article, "More on Seeing God", in which he wrote:
"…just how does Srila Prabhupada gives Diksa initiation after his physical departure?
Is this another mystical esoteric claim that no one can verify?
After all,
If we follow this train of thought to its conclusion,
one could argue.......
if we may claim to accept Srila Prabhupada as our Diksa Guru,
we could similarly claim to accept Srila Bhaktisiddanta Saraswati,
or Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur,
or Sandipani Muni as our Diksa Guru
(that would make Krsna our Godbrother technically),
and so on..."
Diksa has been explained in my article, " Diksa Given to Madhyama-adhikari is Not a Formality".
If it is a fact that Madhyama adhikari is the RECIPIENT of Diksa then the question follows: those Pre-1977 devotees initiated as a formality by Srila Prabhupada who have not made it to Madhyama Adhikari platform, HOW will THEY get Diksa at Madhyama adhikari stage since Srila Prabhupada has physically departed?
And if we accept that Pre-1977 formality initiated Mahavidya Prabhu, etc., if they do NOT reach Madhyama adhikari stage will THEY ALSO be hunting for another physical diksa "guru" TOO?
Pre-1977, many devotees received FORMALITY initiation, some first and some second also. In many cases there was not even second initiations for them. So are these devotees doomed now that Srila Prabhupada is not physically present to give Madhyama Adhikari initiation to them?
And who EVER heard of seeking (a preposterous claim) to accept Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura as his diksa guru in the physical apparent absence of Srila Prabhupada? These are all bogus nonsense proposals to deviate one from seeking shelter from the BONAFIDE DIKSA guru - Srila Prabhupada.
Note the word used is ***apparently absent***. Srila Prabhupada is present in his words (instructions) and Murti. HOW can ANYONE say Srila Prabhupada is not able to give Diksa to madhyama adhikari now OR to coming of MANY MANY MANY generations of devotees in the future?
Please read below.
Srila Prabhupada and his words are on the transcendental platform, therefore his purports to the SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM is the CURRENT LINK. AS LONG AS WE HAVE PRABHUPADA'S PURPORTS TO THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE WILL BE OUR CURRENT LINK**THE REAL** MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM ARE***HIS PURPORTS***.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.7:
"As already stated, Brahma is the original spiritual master for the universe, and since he was initiated by the Lord Himself, the MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IS COMING DOWN BY DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION, and in order to receive THE REAL MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM one should approach THE CURRENT LINK, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession."
Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.8 P - Answers by Citing the Lord' s Version"
"Srimad-Bhagavatam The potency of transcendental sound is never minimized because the vibrator is apparently absent."
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.7.22:
"The spiritual master, BY HIS WORDS, CAN PENETRATE INTO THE HEART of the suffering person and INJECT KNOWLEDGE TRANSCENDENTAL, which alone can extinguish the fire of material existence."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture in Los Angeles, January 13, 1969:
"...vani and vapu, and vapu means the physical body, and vani means the vibration. So we are not concerned about the physical body. Not concerned means... We are concerned, of course, because the spiritual master, those who are acaryas, their body is not considered as materiel. Arcye sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir. Just like the statue of Krsna, to consider that "This is a stone..." Similarly, arcye sila-dhir gurusu na... Gurusu means those who are acaryas, to accept their body as ordinary man's body, this is denied in the sastras. SO ALTHOUGH A PHYSICAL BODY IS NOT PRESENT, THE VIBRATION SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, VIBRATION. WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, THAT IS LIVING. "
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 1.35:
"The service of the spiritual master is essential. If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER'S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Bahurupa, November 22, 1974:
"In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is EXPLAINED FULLY so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP."
To those who are so foolish who want "physical gurus" and no gaps, Srila Prabhupada states clearly:
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dayananda, April 12, 1968:
"Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system--namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to."
Srila Prabhupada is the FOUNDER AND ACARYA note the HYPEN in his books. ISKCON Founder-Acarya His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. The disciplic succession is of ACARYAS.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.29.17:
"In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge by accepting the acarya. ACARYOPASANAM: ONE SHOULD WORSHIP AN ACARYA, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. The spiritual master must be in the disciplic succession from Krsna. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS."
1) Diksa guru can NOT be voted BUT this IS the current trait in the fake GBC manufacture of conditioned soul self made gurus in today's ISKCON.
2) WHERE is the EVIDENCE that these fake GBC voted conditioned souls are Diksa guru?
3) FACT! Fake gurus are rubber-stamped/voted by imposter GBC who have rejected "The Direction of Management" (1970) - which was authorized by Srila Prabhupada.
4) FACT! Fake "GBC" manufacturing body of conditioned soul self made gurus have NO understanding on Diksa Guru -- AT ALL. This is PROVEN FACT that they have NOT got a clue on what constitutes Diksa Guru - this has been admitted by Jayadvaita Swami (who is their supporter). ("Where the Ritvik People are Right" by Jayadvaita Swami)
FACT: ISKCON gurus in good standing have fallen. FACT: The ISKCON GBC has supported even fallen gurus and tried to paper over their falldowns. FACT: ISKCON gurus have opposed , oppressed and driven out many sincere godbrothers and godsisters. FACT: ISKCON gurus have usurped and misused money, and diverted other ISKCON resources for their own personal prestige and sense gratification. FACT: ISKCON gurus have had ILLICIT SEXUAL intercourse with both WOMEN and MEN, and possibly CHILDREN as well. FACT: Some ISKCON gurus still in good standing have had such serious personal difficulties that the GBC has been obliged to suspend them from initiating. FACT: Other ISKCON gurus have snapped back into line only after "narrow misses". FACT: ISKCON gurus recently lead a movement advocating a premature and inappropriate emphasis on rasika-bhakti. FACT: Some ISKCON devotees have felt obliged to accept a new guru twice or even three times over.
5) The above represents conditioned soul "DIKSA" gurus manufactured by the fake GBC. How can Diksa which is defined as being freed from all material contamination be coming from those who are THEMSELVES materially contaminated souls?
Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 4.111 - Sri Madhavendra Puri' s Devotional Service:
"Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed from all material contamination."
Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 15.108 - The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya:
"Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity."
Bhagavad-gita 4.19 - Transcendental Knowledge:
yasya sarve samārambhāḥ
kāma-saṅkalpa-varjitāḥ
jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇaṁ
tam āhuḥ paṇḍitaṁ budhāḥ
SYNONYMS
yasya--one whose; sarve--all sorts of; samarambhah--in all attempts; kama--desire for sense gratification; sankalpa--determination; varjitah--are devoid of; jnana--of perfect knowledge; agni--fire; dagdha--being burnt by; karmanam--the performer; tam--him; ahuh--declare; panditam--learned; budhah--of those who know.
TRANSLATION
"One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge."
PURPORT
"Only a person in full knowledge can understand the activities of a person in Krsna consciousness. Because the person in Krsna consciousness is devoid of all kinds of sense-gratificatory propensities, it is to be understood that he has burned up the reactions of his work by perfect knowledge of his constitutional position as the eternal servitor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is actually learned who has attained to such perfection of knowledge. Development of this knowledge of the eternal servitorship of the Lord is compared to fire. Such a fire, once kindled, can burn up all kinds of reactions to work."
6) HOW are fake GBC manufactured opportunists to be "worshipped as good as God"?
HOW can OPPORTUNIST conditioned soul Uttama Adhikari IMITATORS be Transparent Via Media?
Journey of Self-Discovery 2.2 - Beyond Religion:
Devotee: "Some of these so-called gurus will say some things that Krsna says, but they'll give other instructions also. What is the position of such persons? Srila Prabhupada: They are most dangerous. Most dangerous. They are opportunists. According to the customer, they give some teachings so he will be pleased. Such a person is not a guru; he's a servant. He wants to serve his so-called disciples so that they may be satisfied and pay him something. A real guru is not a servant of his disciples; he is their master. If one becomes a servant, if he wants to please the disciples by flattering them to get their money, then he is not a guru. A guru should also be a servant, yes--but a servant of the Supreme. The literal meaning of the word guru is "heavy"--heavy with knowledge and authority, because his knowledge and authority come from Krsna. You cannot utilize the guru for satisfying your whims."
Bonafide means genuine. HOW can one be GENUINE Guru who requires to be voted in by conditioned souls of fake GBC?
Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 15.108 - The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya:
"Unless one is initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, all his devotional activities are useless. A person who is not properly initiated can descend again into the animal species."
I have mentioned in my article, "The Rescuer Must be Liberated" the position of Diksa Guru in ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada and given the intelligence we can see the bogus GBC voted conditioned soul gurus and their imbecile lackeys will NEVER be able to answer the following TWO questions:
1) EXACTLY when did Srila Prabhupada EVER state that he has STOPPED giving DIKSA at Madhyama Adhikari stage to the countless generations of devotees still to come? (refer to my article)
2) Since NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada was EVER given that they ARE Acarya (Uttama Adhikari) HOW can they give DIKSA? I am NOT talking of FORMALITY of initiation. (refer to my article)
Why is there very strong emphasis in Srila Prabhupada's books on Uttama adhikari (Mahabhagavata)? See references in my article, " Unless One Comes to Madhyama-adhikara, He Cannot Preach".
The passage is TRANSPARENT. Anyone with slight common sense can see HOW Diksa takes place. Srila Prabhupada is that Mahabhagavat who CAN deliver Krsna in our heart.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.2.18 - Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb:
TRANSLATION
"Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devaki. Devaki, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Krsna, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon."
PURPORT
"As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva's mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, but by diksa, initiation. Thus the importance of initiation is mentioned here. Unless one is initiated by the right person, who always carries within his heart the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one cannot acquire the power to carry the Supreme Godhead within the core of one's own heart."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Sivani, March 14, 1975:
"To take SHELTER of the Spiritual Master MEANS TO FOLLOW HIS INSTRUCTIONS."
Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.31.48:
"…one has to associate with liberated persons NOT DIRECTLY, PHYSICALLY, BUT BY UNDERSTANDING, THROUGH PHILOSOPHY AND LOGIC, THE PROBLEMS OF LIFE."
Read Srila Prabhupada's books and associate with him directly.
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, October 20, 1972, Vrindavan:
"But in this life, if we develop Krsna consciousness by association of devotees... As Narottama dasa Thakura has sung, tandera carana-sevi-bhakta-sane vasa. One's aim of life should be to serve the acaryas. Acarya upasanam. So our acarya in the Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, the sri-rupa sanatana bhatta-raghunatha, sri-jiva gopala-bhatta dasa-raghunatha, the Six Gosvamins, and if we associate with them... this book, Nectar of Devotion, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, if you read regularly, try to understand, this means you are associating with Srila Rupa Gosvami DIRECTLY. And if you act accordingly, then you are serving their lotus feet."
Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.31.2:
"One desiring perfection or liberation SHOULD ASSOCIATE WITH A PERSON WHO IS ALREADY LIBERATED. THIS IS CALLED SADHU-SANGA, ASSOCIATING WITH A PERFECT DEVOTEE."
EK 4: "There are two conceptions of presence--the physical conception and the vibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary, whereas the vibrational conception is eternal. When we enjoy or relish the vibration of Krsna's teachings in Bhagavad-gita, or when we chant Hare Krsna, we should know that by those vibrations He is immediately present. He is absolute, and because of this His vibration is just as important as His physical presence. WHEN WE FEEL SEPARATION FROM KRSNA OR THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, WE SHOULD JUST TRY TO REMEMBER THEIR WORDS OF INSTRUCTIONS, AND WE WILL NO LONGER FEEL THAT SEPARATION. SUCH ASSOCIATION WITH KRSNA AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER SHOULD BE ASSOCIATION BY VIBRATION, NOT PHYSICAL PRESENCE. THAT IS REAL ASSOCIATION. We put so much stress on seeing, but when Krsna was present on this earth, so many people saw Him and did not realize that He is God; so what is the advantage of seeing? By seeing Krsna, we will not understand Him, but by listening carefully to His teachings, we can come to the platform of understanding. We can touch Krsna immediately by sound vibration; therefore we should give more stress to the sound vibration of Krsna and of the spiritual master--then we'll feel happy and won't feel separation."
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Montreal, august 18, 1968:
Prabhupada: "Oh, that you should not think. If... The words... There are two conceptions: the physical conception and the vibration conception. So physical conception is temporary. The vibration conception is eternal. Just like we are enjoying or we are relishing the vibration of Krsna's teachings. So by vibration He is present. As soon as we chant Hare Krsna or chant Bhagavad-gita or Bhagavata, so He is present immediately by His vibration. He's absolute. Therefore try to remember His words of instruction; you'll not feel separation. You'll feel that He is with you. So we should associate by the vibration, and not by the physical presence. That is real association. Sabdad anavrtti. By sound. Just like we are touching Krsna immediately by sound. Sound vibration. SO WE SHOULD GIVE MORE STRESS ON THE SOUND VIBRATION, EITHER OF KRSNA OR OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. THEN WE'LL FEEL HAPPY AND NO SEPARATION."
Caitanya-caritamrta Concluding Words:
"Today, Sunday, November 10, 1974--corresponding to the 10th of Kartikka, Caitanya Era 488, the eleventh day of the dark fortnight, the Rama-ekadasi--we have now finished the English translation of Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami' s Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in accordance with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Gosvami Maharaja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend.
Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada passed away from this material world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace to be always present with me by his vani, his words. There are two ways of association--by vani and by vapu. Vani means words, and vapu means physical presence. PHYSICAL PRESENCE IS SOMETIMES APPRECIABLE AND SOMETIMES NOT, BUT VANI CONTINUES TO EXIST ETERNALLY. THEREFORE WE MUST TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VANI, NOT THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE. Bhagavad-gita, for example, is the vani of Lord Krsna. Although Krsna was personally present five thousand years ago and is no longer physically present from the materialistic point of view, Bhagavad-gita continues."
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Suci, November 4, 1975: "You have rightly said that the best way to associate with the spiritual master is to follow his instructions. There are two ways of associating, by vani and by vapu. Vani means words and vapu means physical presence. PHYSICAL PRESENCE IS SOMETIMES APPRECIABLE AND SOMETIMES NOT. THEREFORE WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VANI, NOT THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE, BECAUSE THE VANI CONTINUES TO EXIST ETERNALLY. Bhagavad-gita for example is the vani of Lord Krishna. Although Krishna was personally present 5,000 years ago and is no longer present physically from the materialistic viewpoint, still Bhagavad-gita continues. So you have correctly concluded."
"Those who are playing silly games to say the Guru Srila Prabhupada has to be physically present to give diksa are condemned. One who follows such conclusions is doomed."
Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.29.17:
"It is recommended herewith that all the acaryas be given the highest respect. It is stated, gurusu nara-matih. GURUSU MEANS "UNTO THE ACARYAS," and nara-matih means "thinking like a common man." To think of the Vaisnavas, the devotees, as belonging to a particular caste or community, to think of the acaryas as ordinary men or to think of the Deity in the temple as being made of stone, wood or metal, IS CONDEMNED."
Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 7.115:
"In this connection the Padma Purana states, arcye visnau sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnave jati-buddhih: "One who considers the arca-murti, the worshipable Deity of Lord Visnu, to be stone, THE SPIRITUAL MASTER TO BE AN ORDINARY HUMAN BEING, and a Vaisnava to belong to a particular caste or creed, is possessed of HELLISH INTELLIGENCE." ONE WHO FOLLOWS SUCH CONCLUSIONS IS DOOMED."
Srila Prabhupada is the INITIATOR.
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, August 4, 1975: "Regarding Sydney, that the President has left, if one does not follow the regulative principles, then he will leave. That is a fact. Has somebody else been elected? This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM in the INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
Below - FACTUALLY a MADHYAMA adhikari is the RECEPIENT of DIKSA.
All the fake conditioned souls GBC voted "gurus" are only able to give formality initiation ON BEHALF of Srila Prabhupada - that's ALL. Nothing more. They can NOT initiate ANYONE at MADHYAMA adhikari stage.
"A madhyama-adhikari has received spiritual initiation from the spiritual master and has been fully engaged by him in the transcendental loving service of the Lord."
Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 4.192 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri:
dīkṣā-kāle bhakta kare ātma-samarpaṇa
sei-kāle kṛṣṇa tāre kare ātma-sama
TRANSLATION
"At the time of initiation, when a devotee fully surrenders unto the service of the Lord, Krsna accepts him to be as good as Himself."
Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 4.193 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri:
"When the devotee's body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the devotee, in that transcendental body, renders service to the lotus feet of the Lord."
Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 4.194 - Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri:
"'The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus acts according to My direction, at that time he reaches the platform of immortality, and becomes fit to enjoy the spiritual bliss of exchange of loving mellows with Me.'
PURPORT
This is a quotation from Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.29.34). At the time of initiation, a devotee gives up all his material conceptions. Therefore, being in touch with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is situated on the transcendental platform. Thus having attained knowledge and the spiritual platform, he always engages in the service of the spiritual body of Krsna. When one is freed from material connections in this way, his body immediately becomes spiritual, and Krsna accepts His service. However, Krsna does not accept anything from a person with a material conception of life. When a devotee no longer has any desire for material sense gratification, in his spiritual identity he engages in the service of the Lord, for his dormant spiritual consciousness awakens. This awakening of spiritual consciousness makes his body spiritual, and thus he becomes fit to render service to the Lord."
Nectar of Instruction 5:
"One should mentally honor the devotee who chants the holy name of Lord Krsna, one should offer humble obeisances to the devotee who has undergone spiritual initiation [diksa] and is engaged in worshiping the Deity, and one should associate with and faithfully serve that Pure devotee who is advanced in undeviated devotional service and whose heart is completely devoid of the propensity to criticize others."
Nectar of Instruction 5:
PURPORT
In order to intelligently apply the sixfold loving reciprocations mentioned in the previous verse, one must select proper persons with careful discrimination. Srila Rupa Gosvami therefore advises that we should meet with the Vaisnavas in an appropriate way, according to their particular status. In this verse he tells us how to deal with three types of devotees--the kanistha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari. The kanistha-adhikari is a neophyte who has received the hari-nama initiation from the spiritual master and is trying to chant the holy name of Krsna. One should respect such a person within his mind as a kanistha-vaisnava. A madhyama-adhikari has received spiritual initiation from the spiritual master and has been fully engaged by him in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. The madhyama-adhikari should be considered to be situated midway in devotional service. The uttama-adhikari, or highest devotee, is one who is very advanced in devotional service. An uttama-adhikari is not interested in blaspheming others, his heart is completely clean, and he has attained the realized state of unalloyed Krsna consciousness. According to Srila Rupa Gosvami, the association and service of such a maha-bhagavata, or perfect Vaisnava, are most desirable.
Srila Prabhupada gives DIKSA at madhyama stage and FORMALITY initiation is carried on HIS BEHALF by his Ritvik Representative. (Refer to my article, "Ritvik - **Representative**")
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, Vrindavan, July 19, 1977:
Prabhupada: "And nobody is going to disturb you there. Make your own field and continue to become rttvik and act on my charge. People are becoming sympathetic there. The place is very nice."
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, October 16, 1976:
"Initiation or no initiation, first thing is knowledge. (break) ...knowledge. Initiation is formality. Just like you go to a school for knowledge, and admission is formality. That is not very important thing."
WHERE is the EVIDENCE that fake GBC voted conditioned soul gurus are resident of Krishna Loka?
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Mukunda 6/10/69:
"Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spiritual Master. That is the first proposition. A layman cannot be a Spiritual Master, and if he becomes so then he will simply create disturbance."
The bogus conditioned soul self made gurus manufactured by fake GBC are going to most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification."
Isopanisad 12:
"The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana--"One must worship the acarya"--and Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification."
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