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The Facts About Srila Prabhupada's Poisoning by Arsenic
"So as Krishna was attempted to be killed... And Lord Jesus Christ was killed.
So they may kill me also." (Srila Prabhupada, May 3, l976, Honolulu)
"my only request is , that at the last stage don't torture me, and put me to death"
(from SPC Vol. 36, November 3, 1977 tape recorded Room Conversation)
[PLEASE NOTE: ADDRESSES, EMAILS, PHONE NUMBERS ETC. MIGHT NO LONGER BE CORRECT!]
Below is a comparison of the actual tape recording (CON) with Satsvarupa's (BIO) and Tamal's accounts. Note the underlined portions.
CON: Satsvarupa: …Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.
Tamal: Is that called rtvik-acharya?
Prabhupada: Rtvik, yes.
BIO: "Our next question," Satsvarupa proceeded, "concerns initiation in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how a first and second initiation would be conducted."
"Yes," said Prabhupada, "I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharya."
Tamal Krishna interjected, "Is that called rtvik acharya?"
"Yes," Prabhupada said, "rtvik."
CON: Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the…
Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru.
Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order… Amara ajnaya guru hana. Be actually guru, but by my order.
BIO: "Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation?" asked Satsvarupa. "He is guru," said Prabhupada. "But he does it on your behalf," said Satsvarupa. "Yes, that is the formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru. So on my behalf, on my order - amara ajnaya guru. He is actually guru, but on my order."
CON: Satsv: So they may also be considered your disciples.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?
BIO: "So they may be considered your disciples," said Satsvarupa, referring to those persons initiated on Prabhupada's behalf by the rtvik acharyas.
"They are their disciples," said Srila Prabhupada. Now he was speaking of initiations after his passing away.(Comment: Says who?)
CON: Tamal: No, he's asking that these rtvik acharyas, they're officiating, giving diksha. Their… the people who they give diksha to, whose disciple are they?
Prabhupada: They're his disciple.
Tamal: They're his disciple.
Prabhupada: Who is initiating.
BIO: (Prabhupada): "They are the disciples of the one who is initiating.. "
CON: Prabhupada (continues): He is granddisciple.
Satsvarupa: Yes.
Tamal: That's clear.
Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer…
BIO: (Prabhupada):And they are my granddisciples.
CON: Prabhupada: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it.
BIO: (Prabhupada):When I order you to become guru, you become regular guru, that's all. And they become the disciples of my disciple."
The GBC members present were satisfied that Srila Prabhupada's reply to the intricate inquiry was clear and conclusive. Later, he would select "some of you," and whoever he selected could become an initiating guru. What he had already described many times throughout his Bhaktivedanta purports was now being implemented: his disciples would become gurus and accept disciples of their own.
In TKG's Diary, for May 28, Tamal very simply says (with not even the mention of the word rtvik!):
"I shall appoint some of you to give initiation. Those who they initiate will be their disciples and my grand-disciples. They will be guru by my order."
To be noted here is how, on May 28, before Srila Prabhupada used the word "rtvik", and Tamal asks, "Is that called rtvik acharya?", meaning, quite clearly, that he had previously discussed these same matters with Srila Prabhupada. What those previous conversations about rtviks and Srila Prabhupada's desire for future initiations may have been, or what additional information Srila Prabhupada had given in this regard is not known because Tamal has never disclosed such, not even in TKG's Diary, his detailed account of his time as Srila Prabhupada's secretary. Also, there are many days prior to May 28 for which there are no available tape recordings.
In December, 1980, at the Pyramid House center, Topanga, California, however, Tamal's tape recorded statement, "We GBC have done the greatest disservice to Srila Prabhupada's movement these last three years by interpreting the appointment of rtviks as the appointment of gurus in their own right." It is an aggravation to devotees everywhere that they cannot avail themselves of the private information Tamal holds about Srila Prabhupada's instructions regarding rtviks and other controversial subjects currently under discussion in the worldwide Vaishnava community.
The whole point of this exercise here is to illustrate that we cannot blindly trust Satsvarupa and Tamal Krishna Goswamis' accounts of events and conversations in their biography and diary. Satsvarupa Maharaj has subtly reinforced his own self-serving interpretation of Srila Prabhupada's instructions by slightly changing them, which Tamal has done even more so.
Srila Prabhupada left this mortal world on November 14, 1977.
But He lives forever in His instructions, and His followers will always live with Him.
"He reasons ill who tells that Vaishnavas die
While thou art living still in sound!
The Vaishnavas die to live, and living try
To spread the Holy Name around"
(Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Thākura)
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